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2011-07-17 10:06:44	--	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux World Domination Inc. <+> Dropping tcp_wrappers support: http://www.archlinux.org/news/dropping-tcp_wrappers-support/"
2011-07-17 10:06:44	--	Topic set by td123 on Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:07:28
2011-07-17 10:06:44	--	Nicks #archlinux: [[knap] [vEX] __20h__ _fliXR- _ikke_ _nalle_ `kk `lorim a02 a3Dman aaronyy AbX adalgiso adam8157 Adjunct Aepelzen affect afiestas Afnarel aguitel aitorpazos ak-_ alexandernst Alexej64 AlexP alfox alfplayer alienvenom allanbrokeit alpounet alub amunak andyrtr_desktop aNone anonymouse89 anrxc Anthraxium anti-helix Aperculum appamatto aravind Arcanexil archevan Archtivity areisp_ arjovr artwin asack ashadocat Atm0z aupo avocado Awesomaes Axanon axion baedert bandito85 Bane^ banker247 Banton barratt Barthalion bassliner Bassqual1 batrick bauruine bazu bb10 bburhans beat beford BeholdMyGlory belak Belgarion_ benanne benn1 benoror benpro beppu Best_ betamine betuxer bier bier|tp big_t BigBlackDog billdawg Biolunar bioterror bl1nk Blaasvis BladedThesis BlankVerse blast_hardcheese BluABK Bluewind blut BombStrike bond` Borromini bougyman Bowler br0tat0chip brandonros brandonw brensly_ brisbin Brookie bruceber Bugson c0nv1ct Cadynum cafaro Caleb CalimeroTeknik calzifer candybar cantabile canti carlocci carlos_ Carneus Carpe|Diem cassmacguff caveat- cbounce cbreaker_ cbus cedeel celthunder ch077179 ChaozZBubi Chewtoy chip2n chitragupt chris2 chuck616 cicero Cigarillo Cleo clincher Cloudef CME codebit Codynyx comhack cosmonaut[] Count_0 crashmag creyon crs_ crshd cruxeternus CryptoCrack csgeek ct Cthulhu_Dawn cws CyberSix cybrhuman cyen d_garbage da3v dabreaka Dabuti__ Dad` daddysmurf Daenyth dagle damentz Damnshock Dan39 Danio Dashkal datagutt Dave123 davvs dawey DaZ DazWiLLiE dbatbold ddv ddv_ Deadguy Deiz delqn demarchi Demios` demonicm1niac3 der_harm DerPate derrida desal desg Desoxy desu Devastatorius develts devotchka dezza dflurker dguibert dhgwill dhsl Diamondcite Dieterbe Dillweed dings dings_ dino- dipiwee dist_ dixie dobo doc_who doda dodobas domidimi doobry dorftrot1el Drackin drag0nl0rd dramz drfox drizztbsd dropdrive dsb dubnukem duckpunch dunz0r Duran-Duran DURgod dvx dxtr e36freak ealexp ecc___ ecraven EdwardIII EffBee efs_ EIHoppe eir el_seano elake elbjorn elFidel elfreak elliottcable elproxy elsewho encbladexp enderst Enj0lras Enjolras eoss ephemeros erk ernetas Error404NotFound Ertyle Esmil EspadaV8 ethail etix eto Evanescence Evanlec EvanR everett_ evert evhan evpuneq evr__ execat eyescream EyesIsMine|iPod f0i FabianS faemir faffi fakeroot falchiee falconindy falu familly Fanatic Fatsobob Ferran Ferus Fflam fignew fildi FireFly firesock FiReSTaRT flaccid flashehpooh flax^_ flexd FlorianJW-mars fluter fn0rd fnord0 fogobogo foocraft foutrelis frak frank__ frantk fryguy Fudge fumbles futilius g4 gajop gardar gardintrapp Garoth garrik gegarchie gejr GenKreton Genolo gentz gewt gewuerzwiesel gfarfl gffa GGLucas Gigamo Gishten gnubien gnuvince godane gordonjcp gospodin graphitemaster Greg44 greymalkin groundnuty growlinux Guest37119 Guest61723 Guest68087 hachiya hallman ham5 Hamlin_ hampusw Hapsbana1 Harbinger hardfalcon HarryS harski hayaka he2 heftig Heikai hejki helgikrs henn1nk hfr hilquias hokapoka Hoppelchen hotdogs hrist HuMu hun_ hurricane iAmerikan iB0o icaunus Icedman icenine467 Ichigo IEM ighea igndenok ikonia ilj Ilu-babe_ imacake indascrnfx infinull infojunky Ingar inigo_ intgr invalidargue597 ioni Iota ircubic irnn is_null ISF ius Ivan1`off ivartj iZCrazy jabirali JackWinter Jagged jams Janhouse jank1310 jareth_ jarlg1 JavaAtom jayne jcppkkk Jeanne-Kamikaze Jed_84 jedijf jeekl jefferai jelly1 JeraldV jeremydei JesusRifle jettero jham jhark JHeaton Jimi` jimmy1980 jjcm jjwc jlewis jmad980 joeDeuce JoeHazzers john_f johndoy_ johnduh Jonimus joschi joshua_satterfie jrd0 jryan jshsu juah juancate julius2 juster jw8 jwbirdsong jxie Kadajski kalhid kalipus kamaji Kandu karabaja4 karihre kart0ffelsack karthikp_ kbar KBme kbrosnan Keba keenerd keks_ kelnoky kexibq kholo kichawa Kilroo kiooeht KitB KitsuneDrag0n KittyKatt kjellkt kkb110 kkris kl0n kleph klikklak kloeri kmshanah kniu Koigreen Konj kreig Kromgol kubit kurrata kutio kveras kwirk Kwpolska L0C41H05T l0rd_hex Lagnus lahwran laite lake lantanas lanxu Lartza lastebil_ Lattyware laumars Leftmost Legion leprechau lianj lidstah Likvidy Limoto linduxed linked lmatos lmbrjck lmg_ localghost lolcat loofygun looplog lordheavy LordLandon Lotus- LSD` lstarnes luc1 luizribeiro luoq Lurq M4T1A5 MacAnkka Macha macrobat MadAGu madm1ke madm1ke_ MadTBone magicrhesus MannerMa1 manugg mar77i marchdown mariachi marienz markatto markuman marquicus marshal0505 martian67 martin- mason-l masterkorp mathieui matt5 mattwb maveonaiR max_ Maxa Maxdamantus maxexclo- mcover Mechanim1l Melkon mentr_bnc mesx metalight mewt meyithi micha_ Micki miffe mikroflops milosn mimor Minos mirk2 MissionCritical mitur mizan MJEvans mlq mnoyce moncky monkeychow monokrome mootmoat moparx Morde moted mpereira mr_clark MrBougo mren mrmist mrmoku mu murr4y MVXA mwc mylvari N0way n17ikh n1md4 n20_ nachtwandler naeg Nahlidge Nalo NamelessTee naquad nauski nebopolis necronian neferty nem`brs Nephyrin neurolysis NevroPus ngochai niko niloc132 Nimatek nimred nimrod10 ninedotnine ningchi nispaur Nisstyre nivi njan noitakomentaja nokogiri novabyte Nowaker noxsec noxsec_ nsf nubs nuskool nyanpai nyuszika7h Oa occamshatchet OchreJelly olap OliverG olsta omeddragon oOze openess_ optedoblivion Orannis orici otto Ottre owain owen1 Ox1 oxez P-l p0z1tr0n p3nguin p4r0l3 pantski papul ParadisoShlee parshime1s parus passbe Pathin patsbin patson peeaivo Peet__ Pepe_ Peps perberos pesterie petelewis peterbat Peuc PFault Phenox_ phil__ phlux phnom phr0z3n phrik phsi phux pi__ pickett pielgrzym pingveno PiVoKoZeL pobega polterge|st pommes_ poseidon powler PRAEDO PreZ prg318 promulo pronto pronto| prostosuper Proxypoke psychedelicious psycho_oreos PsyTrance psyvenrix ptero_ pxi_ pyro_ PyrO_70 PyroPeter pyther q1x QKO r4` rabbitear raedwulf Raku^ Rasi Ratty|sleep rbancroft rcn rdrake rednul RegEchse rejb rejser rekahsoft Repentinus resixian restless_being revberaldo rifter_zc rikai ring0 rio rizumu rjth0r rmrf 0
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2011-07-17 10:07:11	--	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux World Domination Inc. <+> Dropping tcp_wrappers support: http://www.archlinux.org/news/dropping-tcp_wrappers-support/"
2011-07-17 10:07:11	--	Topic set by td123 on Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:07:28
2011-07-17 10:07:11	--	Nicks #archlinux: [[knap] [vEX] __20h__ _fliXR- _ikke_ _nalle_ `kk `lorim a02 a3Dman aaronyy AbX adalgiso adam8157 Adjunct Aepelzen affect afiestas Afnarel aguitel aitorpazos ak-_ alexandernst Alexej64 AlexP alfox alfplayer alienvenom allanbrokeit alpounet alub amunak andyrtr_desktop aNone anonymouse89 anrxc Anthraxium anti-helix Aperculum appamatto aravind Arcanexil archevan Archtivity areisp_ arjovr artwin asack ashadocat Atm0z aupo avocado Awesomaes Axanon axion baedert bandito85 Bane^ banker247 Banton barratt Barthalion bassliner Bassqual1 batrick bauruine bazu bb10 bburhans beat beford BeholdMyGlory belak Belgarion_ benanne benn1 benoror benpro beppu Best_ betamine betuxer bier bier|tp big_t BigBlackDog billdawg Biolunar bioterror bl1nk Blaasvis BladedThesis BlankVerse blast_hardcheese BluABK Bluewind blut BombStrike bond` Borromini bougyman Bowler br0tat0chip brandonros brandonw brensly_ brisbin Brookie bruceber Bugson c0nv1ct Cadynum cafaro Caleb CalimeroTeknik calzifer candybar cantabile canti carlocci carlos_ Carneus Carpe|Diem cassmacguff caveat- cbounce cbreaker_ cbus cedeel celthunder ch077179 ChaozZBubi Chewtoy chip2n chitragupt chris2 chuck616 cicero Cigarillo Cleo clincher Cloudef CME codebit Codynyx comhack cosmonaut[] Count_0 crashmag creyon crs_ crshd cruxeternus CryptoCrack csgeek ct Cthulhu_Dawn cws CyberSix cybrhuman cyen d_garbage da3v dabreaka Dabuti__ Dad` daddysmurf Daenyth dagle damentz Damnshock Dan39 Danio Dashkal datagutt Dave123 davvs dawey DaZ DazWiLLiE dbatbold ddv ddv_ Deadguy Deiz delqn demarchi Demios` demonicm1niac3 der_harm DerPate derrida desal desg Desoxy desu Devastatorius develts devotchka dezza dflurker dguibert dhgwill dhsl Diamondcite Dieterbe Dillweed dings dings_ dino- dipiwee dist_ dixie dobo doc_who doda dodobas domidimi doobry dorftrot1el Drackin drag0nl0rd dramz drfox drizztbsd dropdrive dsb dubnukem duckpunch dunz0r Duran-Duran DURgod dvx dxtr e36freak ealexp ecc___ ecraven EdwardIII EffBee efs_ EIHoppe eir el_seano elake elbjorn elFidel elfreak elliottcable elproxy elsewho encbladexp enderst Enj0lras Enjolras eoss ephemeros erk ernetas Error404NotFound Ertyle Esmil EspadaV8 ethail etix eto Evanescence Evanlec EvanR everett_ evert evhan evpuneq evr__ execat eyescream EyesIsMine|iPod f0i FabianS faemir faffi fakeroot falchiee falconindy falu familly Fanatic Fatsobob Ferran Ferus Fflam fignew fildi FireFly firesock FiReSTaRT flaccid flashehpooh flax^_ flexd FlorianJW-mars fluter fn0rd fnord0 fogobogo foocraft foutrelis frak frank__ frantk fryguy Fudge fumbles futilius g4 gajop gardar gardintrapp Garoth garrik gegarchie gejr GenKreton Genolo gentz gewt gewuerzwiesel gfarfl gffa GGLucas Gigamo Gishten gnubien gnuvince godane gordonjcp gospodin graphitemaster Greg44 greymalkin groundnuty growlinux Guest37119 Guest61723 Guest68087 hachiya hallman ham5 Hamlin_ hampusw Hapsbana1 Harbinger hardfalcon HarryS harski hayaka he2 heftig Heikai hejki helgikrs henn1nk hfr hilquias hokapoka Hoppelchen hotdogs hrist HuMu hun_ hurricane iAmerikan iB0o icaunus Icedman icenine467 Ichigo IEM ighea igndenok ikonia ilj Ilu-babe_ imacake indascrnfx infinull infojunky Ingar inigo_ intgr invalidargue597 ioni Iota ircubic irnn is_null ISF ius Ivan1`off ivartj iZCrazy jabirali JackWinter Jagged jams Janhouse jank1310 jareth_ jarlg1 JavaAtom jayne jcppkkk Jeanne-Kamikaze Jed_84 jedijf jeekl jefferai jelly1 JeraldV jeremydei JesusRifle jettero jham jhark JHeaton Jimi` jimmy1980 jjcm jjwc jlewis jmad980 joeDeuce JoeHazzers john_f johndoy_ johnduh Jonimus joschi joshua_satterfie jrd0 jryan jshsu juah juancate julius2 juster jw8 jwbirdsong jxie Kadajski kalhid kalipus kamaji Kandu karabaja4 karihre kart0ffelsack karthikp_ kbar KBme kbrosnan Keba keenerd keks_ kelnoky kexibq kholo kichawa Kilroo kiooeht KitB KitsuneDrag0n KittyKatt kjellkt kkb110 kkris kl0n kleph klikklak kloeri kmshanah kniu Koigreen Konj kreig Kromgol kubit kurrata kutio kveras kwirk Kwpolska L0C41H05T l0rd_hex Lagnus lahwran laite lake lantanas lanxu Lartza lastebil_ Lattyware laumars Leftmost Legion leprechau lianj lidstah Likvidy Limoto linduxed linked lmatos lmbrjck lmg_ localghost lolcat loofygun looplog lordheavy LordLandon Lotus- LSD` lstarnes luc1 luizribeiro luoq Lurq M4T1A5 MacAnkka Macha macrobat MadAGu madm1ke madm1ke_ MadTBone magicrhesus MannerMa1 manugg mar77i marchdown mariachi marienz markatto markuman marquicus marshal0505 martian67 martin- mason-l masterkorp mathieui matt5 mattwb maveonaiR max_ Maxa Maxdamantus maxexclo- mcover Mechanim1l Melkon mentr_bnc mesx metalight mewt meyithi micha_ Micki miffe mikroflops milosn mimor Minos mirk2 MissionCritical mitur mizan MJEvans mlq mnoyce moncky monkeychow monokrome mootmoat moparx Morde moted mpereira mr_clark MrBougo mren mrmist mrmoku mu murr4y MVXA mwc mylvari N0way n17ikh n1md4 n20_ nachtwandler naeg Nahlidge Nalo NamelessTee naquad nauski nebopolis necronian neferty nem`brs Nephyrin neurolysis NevroPus ngochai niko niloc132 Nimatek nimred nimrod10 ninedotnine ningchi nispaur Nisstyre nivi njan noitakomentaja nokogiri novabyte Nowaker noxsec noxsec_ nsf nubs nuskool nyanpai nyuszika7h Oa occamshatchet OchreJelly olap OliverG olsta omeddragon oOze openess_ optedoblivion Orannis orici otto Ottre owain owen1 Ox1 oxez P-l p0z1tr0n p3nguin p4r0l3 pantski papul ParadisoShlee parshime1s parus passbe Pathin patsbin patson peeaivo Peet__ Pepe_ Peps perberos pesterie petelewis peterbat Peuc PFault Phenox_ phil__ phlux phnom phr0z3n phrik phsi phux pi__ pickett pielgrzym pingveno PiVoKoZeL pobega polterge|st pommes_ poseidon powler PRAEDO PreZ prg318 promulo pronto pronto| prostosuper Proxypoke psychedelicious psycho_oreos PsyTrance psyvenrix ptero_ pxi_ pyro_ PyrO_70 PyroPeter pyther q1x QKO r4` rabbitear raedwulf Raku^ Rasi Ratty|sleep rbancroft rcn rdrake rednul RegEchse rejb rejser rekahsoft Repentinus resixian restless_being revberaldo rifter_zc rikai ring0 rio rizumu rjth0r rmrf 0
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2011-07-17 10:08:33	linfan	hi
2011-07-17 10:08:44	linfan	went and bought some crap psu again - lol
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2011-07-17 10:09:00	linfan	it has no 4-pin atx connector
2011-07-17 10:09:00	JavaAtom	goober.
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2011-07-17 10:09:14	keenerd	PSU is probably the most important part of any computer you want to use for more than a year :-(
2011-07-17 10:09:29	linfan	again no standard
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2011-07-17 10:09:38	JavaAtom	no standard?
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2011-07-17 10:09:39	JavaAtom	what?
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2011-07-17 10:09:49	linfan	no 4 pin atx
2011-07-17 10:09:52	JavaAtom	Where do you live?! The Ass-end of the Planet?
2011-07-17 10:09:52	yitz_	Whomever built exim in testing... It doesn't list tcp_wrappers as a dep but ldd shows it links agains libwrap.so.0
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2011-07-17 10:10:18	linfan	or maybe i don't need to connect the atx?
2011-07-17 10:10:23	JavaAtom	uhh
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2011-07-17 10:13:35	linfan	need to go get this http://www.pchcables.com/atx4pinto8pi.html
2011-07-17 10:13:37	phrik	Title: 4" ATX 4 Pin to ATX 8 Pin power adapter cable (at www.pchcables.com)
2011-07-17 10:14:05	td123	yitz_: open a bug
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2011-07-17 10:14:33	td123	means it wasn't built in a chroot 8|
2011-07-17 10:14:45	linfan	then i need to make additional holes or buy a completely new box
2011-07-17 10:15:13	Tucos	my espeak is broken, something silly to do with pulseaudio: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/440791/ ; any ideas? (espeak uses portaudio which may be related)
2011-07-17 10:15:16	phrik	Title: Paste #440791 | LodgeIt! (at paste.pocoo.org)
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2011-07-17 10:15:33	Jetbeard	hello lovely arch linux people
2011-07-17 10:15:56	Jetbeard	i have recently acquired a swanky DSLR camera that can save its images in Canon's proprietary .CR2 raw format
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2011-07-17 10:16:09	Jetbeard	are there any utilities that can read, manipulate or convert these?
2011-07-17 10:16:34	yitz_	td123: The config/Makefile in testing has "USE_TCPWRAPPERS=yes" (or close to that)
2011-07-17 10:16:34	demonicm1niac3	Jetbeard: libraw
2011-07-17 10:16:43	JavaAtom	Jetbeard: probably.
2011-07-17 10:16:54	JavaAtom	Jetbeard: what does GIMP say?
2011-07-17 10:17:03	Jetbeard	i haven't a clue, I'm on Windows at the moment :)
2011-07-17 10:17:06	ioni	yitz_, that's a bug.
2011-07-17 10:17:17	ioni	yitz_, post a patch as well
2011-07-17 10:17:17	yitz_	Filing...
2011-07-17 10:17:27	Visage	Hey guys, every time I try starting openldap, I get the following error: slapd[28553]: segfault at 17d ip 00007f65093264f9 sp 00007fff220fcd60 error 4 in libc-2.14.so[7f65092af000+157000]. Is there any way I can fix this?
2011-07-17 10:17:40	jelly1	woot
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2011-07-17 10:18:07	td123	Visage: backtrace + report upstream
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2011-07-17 10:18:47	Visage	td123, Can you give me the steps required to do that?
2011-07-17 10:18:59	yitz_	ioni: Starting to sound like a lot of work :P FF isn't supplying my flyspray login info :(
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2011-07-17 10:19:08	td123	Visage: sure
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2011-07-17 10:19:17	td123	!give Visage g how to get a backtrace
2011-07-17 10:19:17	ioni	yitz_, maybe you are already logged :P
2011-07-17 10:19:18	phrik	Visage: Gentoo Linux Documentation -- How to get meaningful backtraces in ...: <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml>
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2011-07-17 10:19:43	yitz_	Nope
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2011-07-17 10:20:16	Visage	td123, Thanks. :)
2011-07-17 10:20:53	td123	also, you might need to recompile the package with !strip if it lacks debug symbols
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2011-07-17 10:21:31	yitz_	Bah. Can't log into flyspray and a makepkg failed. I
2011-07-17 10:21:41	yitz_	Bah. Can't log into flyspray and a makepkg failed. I'm going to wimp out and email the packager
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2011-07-17 10:24:17	naquad	how do i rebuild initrd of core boot image?
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2011-07-17 10:25:28	ioni	yitz_, log in works fine here
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2011-07-17 10:26:47	yitz_	ioni: I forgot my login credentials and couldn't recall/guess them
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2011-07-17 10:27:29	blut	yitz_: nice
2011-07-17 10:28:08	yitz_	Annoying :x Anyhow, I'm heading out
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2011-07-17 10:31:08	pandeiro	is there a utility that lets one input a MS Word file and output plain text? I found wv but it doesn't seem to support piping.
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2011-07-17 10:32:13	td123	pandeiro: if you can't find anything, you should just be able to modify the source easily
2011-07-17 10:32:37	td123	instead of writing to a file, output to stdout
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2011-07-17 10:33:24	pandeiro	never modified c source before but interesting idea... what i want to be able to use piping instead of an argument for the input file
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2011-07-17 10:34:29	td123	oh
2011-07-17 10:34:43	td123	you want to pipe *to* not from
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2011-07-17 10:35:20	pandeiro	yep
2011-07-17 10:35:24	keenerd	pandeiro: All of them support that.  If nothing else, use - as the input file.
2011-07-17 10:35:52	sayu	hello
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2011-07-17 10:36:10	pandeiro	keenerd: really? do you know wv?
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2011-07-17 10:36:48	sayu	I've installed flashplugin and I still can't watch any video on the web. What should I do?
2011-07-17 10:37:04	sudokode	buy more dvds
2011-07-17 10:37:18	dagle	sayu: Have you browser loaded it?
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2011-07-17 10:38:04	sayu	dagle: I use epiphany and it does not work.
2011-07-17 10:38:20	dagle	sayu: And epiphany see the plugin?
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2011-07-17 10:40:17	keenerd	pandeiro: No I did not.  I will have to try it.  But catdoc, docx2txt, and antiword dowhat you want.
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2011-07-17 10:40:56	sayu	dagle: no, it doesn't.
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2011-07-17 10:41:08	pandeiro	keenerd: excellent thanks for the refs
2011-07-17 10:41:18	naquad	how do i rebuild live cds archiso.img? it seems it uses xz compression, but after rebuilding (find . -print0 | bsdcpio -0oH news | xz -9c > ...) kernel can't mount it
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2011-07-17 10:41:52	dagle	sayu: Does it say why it doesn't load it if you load it from a terminal?
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2011-07-17 10:43:11	sayu	dagle: It says that I need to install it again.
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2011-07-17 10:43:49	sayu	dagle: This is the version I've installed:flashplugin-10.3.181.34-1
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2011-07-17 10:48:03	dino-	Wow, is cups + my HP 6840 printer really broken on new system I'm installing.
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2011-07-17 10:48:52	sayu	This is insane, why does flashplugin not work on my system? What should I do to fix this problem?
2011-07-17 10:48:53	dino-	I get up to my ass in the cups + hplip + python-dbus-fucknuttery + ?? and it just makes me wonder if I really give a shit about printing something out twice a year.
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2011-07-17 10:50:45	dino-	sayu: what browser, and 64-bit?
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2011-07-17 10:52:23	sayu	dino-: I use 32-bit system with epiphany.
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2011-07-17 10:54:43	sayu	dino-: What do you recommend me to do?
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2011-07-17 10:54:54	canti	Nothing can be fixed with flash, other than unplugging it.
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2011-07-17 10:55:57	gnubien	sayu: work around: use clive to d/l the .flv then use mplayer to play it
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2011-07-17 10:56:25	demonicm1niac3	or use youtube-viewer
2011-07-17 10:56:31	demonicm1niac3	and skip all the extra steps
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2011-07-17 10:57:10	gnubien	youtube-viewer in AUR?
2011-07-17 10:57:12	torl	i've grabbed a ~/.fonts.conf from somewhere,and it made some fonts look sharp and very unpleasant to the eyes,then I moved it to .fonts.conf~ but the sharp fonts are still there(i've rebooted).I've also ran fc-cache -vrf,but it's still the same..how do i get back the fonts(dejavu sans is what I need,i've already reinstalled it)
2011-07-17 10:57:15	demonicm1niac3	yes
2011-07-17 10:57:23	fryguy	or just install flashplugin and probably be done, and pastebin errors if you think otherwrise
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2011-07-17 11:00:21	dino-	sayu: Not sure. I wonder if it's that epiphany can't see the plugin binary, like it's not in anywhere it's looking. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/epiphany-list/2007-October/msg00012.html
2011-07-17 11:00:22	phrik	Title: Re: Epiphany - flash plugin (at mail.gnome.org)
2011-07-17 11:00:27	dino-	sayu: But I don't know, don't use this browser.
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2011-07-17 11:00:41	dino-	I'm sort of surprised it all works with Chromium even.
2011-07-17 11:01:00	dino-	Also: Flash is such bullshit for video. Why won't it just DIEDIEDIE?
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2011-07-17 11:01:23	ioni	dino-, epiphany is gtk3 and flashplugin is gtk2
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2011-07-17 11:01:39	sjihs	torl: After moving .fonts.conf restart any app to get back "System wide" settings.
2011-07-17 11:01:46	dino-	Ah, I saw something about that too with nswrapper something or other.
2011-07-17 11:01:49	ioni	dino-, they don't support out of process plugins
2011-07-17 11:01:49	dino-	ioni: ^
2011-07-17 11:01:55	ioni	yes
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2011-07-17 11:02:09	torl	sjihs >> i've rebooted and the fonts are still sharp
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2011-07-17 11:02:37	sjihs	torl: Do you use a DE (e.g KDE or GNOME)?
2011-07-17 11:02:43	torl	no
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2011-07-17 11:05:24	JonRob	hey, nautilus isn't capable of mounting anything, it just says 'error creating mount point: no such file or directory'
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2011-07-17 11:06:11	JonRob	i've looked around on the wiki and google, but can't find much
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2011-07-17 11:13:29	ioni	dino-, for x86_64 is working of the box but for i686 you need to compile your own wrapper
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2011-07-17 11:14:12	phsi	no out of process plugins? that's fucking weird
2011-07-17 11:14:25	ioni	webkit has to support that imo
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2011-07-17 11:14:43	phsi	how are you supposed to restrict plugins then? not cool
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2011-07-17 11:17:38	ioni	webkit2 is going to have that :)
2011-07-17 11:17:43	ioni	http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit2
2011-07-17 11:17:44	phrik	Title: WebKit2 – WebKit (at trac.webkit.org)
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2011-07-17 11:24:23	imacake	hai peepies.
2011-07-17 11:24:30	imacake	( lol)
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2011-07-17 11:24:51	dino-	Hey, on my new system I tried netcfg and wifi-select instead of wicd. Nice!
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2011-07-17 11:25:17	dino-	Going to use this at work too. Hope that idiot Macbook wifi I have there is supported soon.
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2011-07-17 11:26:42	imacake	dino-: macbooks have that broadcom drivers required
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2011-07-17 11:27:11	imacake	i have linux mint gnome 32bit(grmph) on my macbook, works better than mac and win7 together
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2011-07-17 11:27:17	imacake	anyway, got a question
2011-07-17 11:27:35	imacake	how to write my own desktop enviornment ?
2011-07-17 11:27:52	lstarnes	it depends on what features you want
2011-07-17 11:28:35	imacake	something very innovative. i created my own GUI for my java game, but since i hate java and hail C,....
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2011-07-17 11:28:43	imacake	and i love linux, and i dont want to make just game GUIs,
2011-07-17 11:29:45	xdarklight	why don't you use an existing desktop environment and create a nice theme for it?
2011-07-17 11:30:29	imacake	=|
2011-07-17 11:30:29	dino-	imacake: Mine has some super new chipset that's about to have support.
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2011-07-17 11:30:39	imacake	xdarklight: fails my entire life ideology
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2011-07-17 11:31:03	xdarklight	if I would write my own piece of software for everything that I'd want I'd be dead by now
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2011-07-17 11:31:22	xdarklight	imacake: but I think freedesktop.org has specs for quite a few things on the linux desktop
2011-07-17 11:31:25	imacake	i just hate libs. if possible i'd create my own OS. i even got "hello world" printed in QEMU. in various colors. I will retry later when i understand that memory managemnt
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2011-07-17 11:33:36	imacake	xdarklight: okay, i guess nobody here can help. guess it will be easier writing my own os...
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2011-07-17 11:34:11	lstarnes	busycake: a desktop envrionment is much easier, unless you just need an OS to print "Hello, World!"
2011-07-17 11:34:47	lstarnes	I would start with either a window manager or a panel
2011-07-17 11:35:06	canti	imacake: Then you probably want to think twice about using a mac. You're better off if you build a computer from atoms.
2011-07-17 11:35:07	lstarnes	you also need to decide on which widget toolkit to use
2011-07-17 11:35:15	busycake	no no, no way. its just that i dont understand why other people say its easier to build something upon something else. if i dont understand something _entirely_, i dont get anything
2011-07-17 11:35:32	busycake	canti: i have a mac.
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2011-07-17 11:35:52	canti	busycake: don't use it, you don't understand it ;)
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2011-07-17 11:36:00	lstarnes	in this case, you're only building parts of the full system
2011-07-17 11:36:01	busycake	exactly. i have linux on it
2011-07-17 11:36:02	lstarnes	rather than the full system
2011-07-17 11:36:12	canti	busycake: mac is the hardware
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2011-07-17 11:36:20	litb	hi all
2011-07-17 11:36:27	lstarnes	it's like cutting down trees to build a cabin instead of building the trees then cutting them down to build a cabin
2011-07-17 11:36:27	busycake	which is an entire abstraction
2011-07-17 11:36:28	nivi	woo arch on mac
2011-07-17 11:36:34	litb	will it be possible to switch to clang as system compiler ?
2011-07-17 11:36:37	litb	for arch=
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2011-07-17 11:36:51	busycake	mint on mac
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2011-07-17 11:36:58	nivi	bah
2011-07-17 11:37:08	busycake	yeh. the more hardcore things are the more i like them
2011-07-17 11:37:09	keenerd	bruenig bruenig bruenig
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2011-07-17 11:37:25	busycake	its just, that i sometimes really need ssomething to be done a bit faster outdoor =P
2011-07-17 11:37:25	nivi	people opening up my macbook and seeing wmii full of urxvts with python stuff open in vim
2011-07-17 11:37:31	nivi	confuses them and entertains me
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2011-07-17 11:37:42	busycake	=D
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2011-07-17 11:37:49	canti	get over that
2011-07-17 11:37:51	canti	grow up
2011-07-17 11:37:54	nivi	:<
2011-07-17 11:37:56	nivi	you're no fun
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2011-07-17 11:38:14	lstarnes	it sure confused the other CS majors at my university when then saw Gnome for the first time
2011-07-17 11:38:26	nivi	that's kinda scary
2011-07-17 11:38:34	nivi	cs guys should know this stuff
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2011-07-17 11:39:02	lstarnes	this was during a summer advising session
2011-07-17 11:39:04	nivi	although i lived with a networking student for a while who knew less about actual, practical setup of an actual network than i did
2011-07-17 11:39:06	lstarnes	they will by the end of the next 4 years
2011-07-17 11:39:13	nivi	and i'm a fucking music student
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2011-07-17 11:39:21	lstarnes	good luck
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2011-07-17 11:39:34	lstarnes	I didn't even get in to a music program
2011-07-17 11:39:36	lstarnes	I got close though
2011-07-17 11:39:39	nivi	:<
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2011-07-17 11:39:46	lstarnes	but I gave up and switched to computer science
2011-07-17 11:39:53	nivi	probably for the best, to be honest
2011-07-17 11:40:01	nivi	jobs, etc
2011-07-17 11:40:09	lstarnes	I still plan to minor in it
2011-07-17 11:40:31	vsync_	minors are tight
2011-07-17 11:40:38	nivi	uhh
2011-07-17 11:40:51	nivi	you may want to rephrase that
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2011-07-17 11:41:17	vsync_	Oh, was merely indicating how hard they can be to fit your schedule!
2011-07-17 11:41:27	vsync_	fit in your schedule, that is
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2011-07-17 11:42:15	nivi	minors
2011-07-17 11:42:35	nivi	way too much joining and leaving in here
2011-07-17 11:42:49	lstarnes	for a second I was expecting a music pun
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2011-07-17 11:42:59	nivi	nope
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2011-07-17 11:43:07	nivi	i was attempting something far, far more crass
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2011-07-17 11:43:16	nivi	sorry to dissapoint
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2011-07-17 11:44:49	linfan	hahaaa....
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2011-07-17 11:45:01	linfan	Many are the afflictions of the righteous...
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2011-07-17 11:46:03	linfan	ofc, I did buy the wrong 8 to 4 atx connector and I had the psu turned the wrong way... back to old psu, will eventually fix it tomorrow
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2011-07-17 11:47:11	Jed_84	hey guys
2011-07-17 11:47:33	tzervo	litb: you mean to build packages using makepkg?
2011-07-17 11:48:15	Jed_84	I've got a 500gb disk that I have partitioned as follows: 40 gb ntfs partition for win 7, 60 gb partition for arch linux, 400 gb ntfs for my stuff
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2011-07-17 11:48:33	linfan	what is opencl-nvidia?
2011-07-17 11:48:44	Jed_84	I'm using ntfs for my data partition because I thought i would be booting from win7 frequently
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2011-07-17 11:49:03	Jed_84	but turns out i'm on linux 99% of the time
2011-07-17 11:49:09	tzervo	nivi: filter the join/leave messages :)
2011-07-17 11:49:14	Jed_84	so I'd like to change my data partition to another filesystem
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2011-07-17 11:49:24	Jed_84	what filesystem would you use for a data partition? ext3? ext4? reiserfs?
2011-07-17 11:49:32	sledgehammer	ext4
2011-07-17 11:49:33	canti	Jed_84: ext4
2011-07-17 11:49:34	lstarnes	ext4 if it's pure linux
2011-07-17 11:49:38	Jed_84	yeah it's pure linux
2011-07-17 11:49:43	lstarnes	ext3 if it needs to be shared with windows
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2011-07-17 11:49:54	Jed_84	ok, great
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2011-07-17 11:50:01	busycake	whats the difference between ext3 and ext4... ?
2011-07-17 11:50:11	Jed_84	why is ext4 my best option?
2011-07-17 11:50:21	yngwin	jfs
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2011-07-17 11:50:43	lstarnes	ext4 has many new features, better performance, and can't be converted back to ext3 or mounted as ext3 or ext2
2011-07-17 11:51:00	Jed_84	yngwin, cool, why jfs?
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2011-07-17 11:51:37	lstarnes	I've found that JFS is reliable, stable, performs about equally well on small and large files, and uses less CPU than most others
2011-07-17 11:51:45	lstarnes	the same can be said for ext4
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2011-07-17 11:52:04	Jed_84	lstarnes, so why ext4 over jfs?
2011-07-17 11:52:13	lstarnes	however, I occasionally have issues with JFS replacing files with zeroes on power failures
2011-07-17 11:52:16	root_op	I'm having some troubles pairing my Apple Magic TrackPad. I've done the pairing once before using bluez-simple-agent so it's known by my system.
2011-07-17 11:52:27	lstarnes	and the developers focus on ext4 more
2011-07-17 11:52:33	yngwin	because it's rock stable, pretty fast and uses less cpu
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2011-07-17 11:52:39	root_op	I've also set the Trusted property of the device to true so it shouldn't have any troubles connecting.
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2011-07-17 11:53:09	Jed_84	so lstarnes you think ext4 is more stable than jfs
2011-07-17 11:53:18	canti	Jed_84: Because google chose ext4 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/google-upgrading-to-ext4-hires-former-linux-foundation-cto.ars ;)
2011-07-17 11:53:18	lstarnes	I use jfs for everything except a private encrypted data volume that I keep sensitive documents on
2011-07-17 11:53:18	phrik	Title: Google upgrading to Ext4, hires former Linux Foundation CTO (at arstechnica.com)
2011-07-17 11:53:18	root_op	However, trying hidd --connect <addr> gives me "Can't get device information: Connection refused".
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2011-07-17 11:53:20	keenerd	Dumb question - is there any advantage to using stty size vs $WIDTH?
2011-07-17 11:53:20	Jed_84	do you yngwin think jfs is more stable than ext4?
2011-07-17 11:53:38	yngwin	yes
2011-07-17 11:53:40	Jed_84	canti, that's a good reason for choosing ext4 :)
2011-07-17 11:53:44	keenerd	* $COLUMNS
2011-07-17 11:53:50	canti	keenerd: Obviously
2011-07-17 11:53:51	Jed_84	yngwin, ok, care to explain why?
2011-07-17 11:54:02	yngwin	it's more mature
2011-07-17 11:54:05	canti	*Jed_84
2011-07-17 11:54:07	keenerd	canti: Care to enlighten?
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2011-07-17 11:54:21	canti	keenerd: was talking to Jed_84 :D
2011-07-17 11:54:28	root_op	Also, using hcitool cc <addr> gives me absolutely nothing. So I assume it does connect well, listing connections with hcitool con gives me no active Connections.
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2011-07-17 11:54:45	yngwin	ext4 is just a placeholder fs to offer certain modern features until btrfs becomes stable
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2011-07-17 11:55:22	lstarnes	or until a full port of ZFS matures
2011-07-17 11:55:26	root_op	Actually, hidd states "Can't create HID control channel: Connection refused".
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2011-07-17 11:55:43	canti	keenerd: As to your question, all I know is you need `shopt -s checkwinsize` for $COLUMNS...
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2011-07-17 11:56:19	demonicm1niac3	last but not least jfs keeps your cpu cool
2011-07-17 11:56:34	lstarnes	ext4's CPU usage isn't very huge though
2011-07-17 11:56:45	demonicm1niac3	compared to jfs it certainly is
2011-07-17 11:57:10	lstarnes	compare it to anything that uses FUSE
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2011-07-17 11:57:21	demonicm1niac3	that doesn't count
2011-07-17 11:57:46	dagle	lstarnes: Compare anything to FUSE.
2011-07-17 11:57:52	demonicm1niac3	next you're gonna compare memory usage of jvm and compiled native binaries
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2011-07-17 11:58:02	demonicm1niac3	omgz jvm takes 1000x more
2011-07-17 11:58:04	demonicm1niac3	:P
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2011-07-17 12:09:16	root_op	Alright, then let me simplify this; Has anybody had any luck with pairing _any_ Apple device with bluetooth? Manually.
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2011-07-17 12:09:49	falconindy	sure
2011-07-17 12:09:55	falconindy	my htpc has an apple bluetooth keyboard
2011-07-17 12:10:07	falconindy	is it a pain in the ass? yes. its bluetooth.
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2011-07-17 12:11:37	tlonim	root_op: it was quite easy to pair my phone with macbook
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2011-07-17 12:12:11	tlonim	what you mean by manually..sure i had to enter PIN etc..but it was simple
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2011-07-17 12:13:06	JavaAtom	!ubuntu
2011-07-17 12:13:07	phrik	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
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2011-07-17 12:15:17	nivi	root_op: yes
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2011-07-17 12:15:31	nivi	i paired my android phone with my macbook running arch :3
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2011-07-17 12:16:18	Zopiac	I cannot get HDMI audio to work. I have unmuted the spdif option under alsamixer which shows up when I select the "hdmi" sound device
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2011-07-17 12:17:00	root_op	Well, I just can't seem to connect it.
2011-07-17 12:17:03	Zopiac	It was working under pulseaudio yesterday when I tried out Gnome3 again but since Pulse breaks completely everything else on my system I uninstalled it today and HDMI doesn't work anymore
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2011-07-17 12:17:29	root_op	It has been paired, I.e it's authenticated and trusted according to org.bluez.Device.GetProperties.
2011-07-17 12:17:38	root_op	However, hcitool con still gives me no connections.
2011-07-17 12:17:52	root_op	And hcitool cc doesn't say squat. It just finishes.
2011-07-17 12:18:05	Zopiac	Pulse pretty much just autoconfigures a bunch of alsa things, right? that's what I understand it to do, at least. If so, that means I can edit ALSA stuff to get HDMI output
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2011-07-17 12:18:43	falconindy	pulse is a sound server. it has no direct hardware access so it uses alsa (or some other method) as a sink
2011-07-17 12:18:45	heftig	Zopiac: pulse uses alsa just for getting hardware properties and doing the actual output, all the magic happens inside PA
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2011-07-17 12:19:52	falconindy	pulse doesn't like my m-audio card, but that's no surprise because neither does alsa.
2011-07-17 12:20:13	manutortosa	then use ossv4
2011-07-17 12:20:17	falconindy	i do
2011-07-17 12:21:04	Zopiac	does that mean that I need pulse for HDMI out?
2011-07-17 12:21:16	heftig	no, not neccessarily
2011-07-17 12:21:20	pandeiro	keenerd: do you happen to know if catdoc or docx2txt can support non-ascii output?
2011-07-17 12:21:26	heftig	you just need to deal with the hell that is manually configuring alsa
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2011-07-17 12:21:49	Zopiac	curses
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2011-07-17 12:22:24	grawity	manutortosa: somewhat reminds me of https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=46887
2011-07-17 12:22:25	phrik	Title: FIX/FILE BUGS dont IGNORE (Page 1) / Arch Discussion / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2011-07-17 12:23:59	manutortosa	well as far as i can see there's also bugs remaining for years in the arch bug tracker without resolution or answer
2011-07-17 12:24:25	manutortosa	but i bug fill is the way to go yes
2011-07-17 12:24:54	manutortosa	/s/i/a
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2011-07-17 12:29:27	sledgehammer	manutortosa, you can always (try to) fix open bugs yourself, you know - if you think they've been open too long I mean
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2011-07-17 12:31:10	manutortosa	sledgehammer: sure, i never fill big report, i send patches, some get applied and some rejected
2011-07-17 12:31:13	manutortosa	*bug
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2011-07-17 12:32:09	sledgehammer	!praise manutortosa
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2011-07-17 12:32:38	keenerd	pandeiro: Sorry, no idea.
2011-07-17 12:33:03	pandeiro	keenerd: np thks
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2011-07-17 12:39:51	[MatSalleh]	How do I reduce this output: "Battery 0: Charging, 85%, 00:32:53 until charged" to just the percentage, '85'?
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2011-07-17 12:39:57	[MatSalleh]	I need it for a simple bash script.
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2011-07-17 12:40:53	sledgehammer	[MatSalleh], sed, awk, cut - probably some others aso
2011-07-17 12:40:55	sledgehammer	also*
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2011-07-17 12:41:10	falconindy	sed -n 's/.*\([[:digit:]]\+\)%.*/\1/p'
2011-07-17 12:41:14	Lotus-	grep -o "[0-9]\+\%"
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2011-07-17 12:41:30	falconindy	that would keep the percent though
2011-07-17 12:41:30	heftig	[MatSalleh]: echo $output | grep -oE '[0-9]+%'
2011-07-17 12:41:39	heftig	ah, this too
2011-07-17 12:41:44	Lotus-	ah, sorry, without the percentage
2011-07-17 12:41:45	sledgehammer	omg it's the invasion of the spoonfeeders
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2011-07-17 12:42:10	Lotus-	well, "grep -o "[0-9]\+\%" | sed 's/%//'" then :)
2011-07-17 12:42:21	heftig	echo "aojdoaskjd 85% oaksodk" | grep -oP '[0-9]+(?=%)'
2011-07-17 12:42:49	falconindy	lulz pcre
2011-07-17 12:43:27	zendeavor	i'm sick of my term font
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2011-07-17 12:43:40	heftig	use wingdings
2011-07-17 12:43:49	e36freak	PCRE with grep? ew
2011-07-17 12:43:50	heftig	er, windings
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2011-07-17 12:44:21	zendeavor	how do i find out the naming convention to use in place of my current font
2011-07-17 12:44:28	e36freak	sed -n '/.*\([0-9]\+\)%.*/s//\1/p'
2011-07-17 12:44:41	falconindy	bloat
2011-07-17 12:44:43	e36freak	blot
2011-07-17 12:44:48	zendeavor	blat
2011-07-17 12:44:52	sledgehammer	zendeavor, man page of your term app
2011-07-17 12:45:08	e36freak	oh wait, this is just a string?
2011-07-17 12:45:34	e36freak	var=${var%%%*}; echo "${var##* }"
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2011-07-17 12:45:54	[MatSalleh]	heftig: How can I get rid of the % sign?
2011-07-17 12:45:54	canti	zendeavor: xlsfont X core fonts, fc-list for xft, if I understand your question right.
2011-07-17 12:45:54	falconindy	assuming there's only ever 1 %
2011-07-17 12:46:21	canti	zendeavor: s/xlsfont/xlsfonts/
2011-07-17 12:46:22	heftig	[MatSalleh]: use the second command I wrote
2011-07-17 12:46:34	falconindy	re='([[:digit:]]+)%'; [[ $(acpi) =~ $re ]] && echo ${BASH_REMATCH[1]}
2011-07-17 12:46:35	falconindy	oh lawd
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2011-07-17 12:47:20	e36freak	BASH_REMATCH!
2011-07-17 12:47:20	falconindy	i lost my rematch =(
2011-07-17 12:47:20	brisbin	gawd you love bash. why don't you get married already
2011-07-17 12:47:20	e36freak	brisbin: still not legal
2011-07-17 12:47:20	falconindy	brisbin: as soon as you marry haskell
2011-07-17 12:47:20	brisbin	we're already in a civil union
2011-07-17 12:47:20	grawity	YOU FUCKERS BROKE MY TROLLOMETER AGAIN
2011-07-17 12:47:23	[MatSalleh]	heftig: Got it mate, thanks v much
2011-07-17 12:47:42	brisbin	we've lived together long enough
2011-07-17 12:47:43	falconindy	!grab grawity
2011-07-17 12:47:43	phrik	falconindy: Tada!
2011-07-17 12:47:55	[MatSalleh]	acpi isn't detecting my battery and hibernating, even with the pol script... So I'm making my own...
2011-07-17 12:47:58	falconindy	i wouldn't call it civil
2011-07-17 12:48:03	brisbin	we make it work
2011-07-17 12:48:13	parcs	in mplayer, whats the difference between the xv and the vaapi rendering methods? they both claim to be hardware-accelerated, and performance with each seems to be roughly the same
2011-07-17 12:48:19	falconindy	[MatSalleh]: if all you want is a battery meter, forking for acpi is expensive. just poll /sys
2011-07-17 12:48:30	heftig	parcs: xv provides only hardware accelerated display
2011-07-17 12:48:36	heftig	parcs: vaapi provides accelerated decoding
2011-07-17 12:48:43	brisbin	reading /sys takes an annoyingly long time on my macbook
2011-07-17 12:48:49	falconindy	really?
2011-07-17 12:48:50	brisbin	had to take the battery out of my prompt
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2011-07-17 12:49:04	falconindy	i tested like 6 different scripts (awk, perl, bash)
2011-07-17 12:49:04	brisbin	long enough that `clear` would take a second or two to come back
2011-07-17 12:49:05	parcs	heftig: i see. thanks :)
2011-07-17 12:49:23	falconindy	reading a sysfs node with awk won, bigtime
2011-07-17 12:49:26	brisbin	i figured i had inneficient parsing, but just catting the battery info was slow
2011-07-17 12:49:42	falconindy	your battery is slow.
2011-07-17 12:49:44	falconindy	but not to discharge.
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2011-07-17 12:49:58	brisbin	figures
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2011-07-17 12:51:52	 *	dagle just loves how huir is prenouced in chinese. XD
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2011-07-17 15:53:30	--	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux World Domination Inc. <+> Dropping tcp_wrappers support: http://www.archlinux.org/news/dropping-tcp_wrappers-support/"
2011-07-17 15:53:30	--	Topic set by td123 on Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:07:28
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2011-07-17 15:53:36	conley	am too dumb to figure out how to configure acpid apparently :/ I'm just frustrated and bitching is all
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2011-07-17 15:53:55	zendeavor	conley: if you're not getting things to work in your new WM/panel, then you're probably doing it wrong
2011-07-17 15:53:59	juhl	conley: sounds like "study time" ;-)
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2011-07-17 15:54:19	zendeavor	you obviously don't want a development environment that you don't understand yet.
2011-07-17 15:54:25	conley	juhl: I've been doing that :P but I like to be successful with something every once in a while
2011-07-17 15:54:41	zendeavor	conley: for now, keep your DE as a fallback option.
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2011-07-17 15:55:01	zendeavor	conley: at least until you figure out how to get the rest of your supplements configured
2011-07-17 15:55:02	conley	zendeavor: I don't have one. I've made it from scratch but I'm starting to wonder if I should have
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2011-07-17 15:55:16	zendeavor	conley: what WM do you use then
2011-07-17 15:55:18	conley	zendeavor: openbox
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2011-07-17 15:55:34	zendeavor	conley: panel?
2011-07-17 15:55:36	juhl	conley: you want minimal, you want simple; try fluxbox, afterstep, evilwm, twm... those are all pretty basic and pretty simple... also check the wiki link to Window Managers I gave you
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2011-07-17 15:55:54	conley	either pypanel or tint2, or something else I guess
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2011-07-17 15:56:13	conley	juhl: yes I know, I've been looking through wms for a while now
2011-07-17 15:56:16	zendeavor	conley: tint2 is slick. idk about pypanel
2011-07-17 15:56:32	conley	well it isn't even updated anymore. I use tint2 actively and have pypanel just in case
2011-07-17 15:56:36	conley	pypanel
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2011-07-17 15:56:58	juhl	conley: what exactely is not working for you with a basic WM ??
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2011-07-17 15:57:10	shedammit	I'm getting "not large enough to join array" even though the partition is the exact same size as the others. (fdisk reports same # of blocks)
2011-07-17 15:57:22	shedammit	partprobe doesn't help
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2011-07-17 15:57:46	shedammit	wiki says to reboot, but if that's not an immediate option is there any other way to fix this?
2011-07-17 15:57:46	juhl	shedammit: doing what exactely?
2011-07-17 15:57:56	zendeavor	if it's not working in openbox, something is being configured wrong
2011-07-17 15:57:56	zendeavor	imo
2011-07-17 15:58:11	juhl	shedammit: creating a raid?
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2011-07-17 15:58:41	shedammit	juhl: hot-adding to an existing raid
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2011-07-17 15:58:50	shedammit	mdadm -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/md127
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2011-07-17 15:59:18	juhl	shedammit: make sure the devices/partitions are exactely the same size (or larger)...  fdisk -l /dev/<foo>  is a start..
2011-07-17 15:59:29	conley	juhl: anything power management related, my volume keys, bluetooth (haven't tried messing with it yet) umm little things like dropbox doesn't work at boot, little bugs
2011-07-17 15:59:29	shedammit	juhl: see my comment. fdisk reports exactly same # of blocks
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2011-07-17 15:59:43	sledgehammer	conley, so take one issue at a time, and solve it
2011-07-17 15:59:43	shedammit	1460942848 to be precise :P
2011-07-17 15:59:58	conley	Do I need a composition manager? I don't even want one really but tint2 has these black bars because it can't do transparency otherwise and it drives me crazy
2011-07-17 16:00:17	zendeavor	conley: xcompmgr-git-tint2
2011-07-17 16:00:20	conley	sledgehammer: I know. That's what I've been trying to do and it just gets so frustrating when nothing works
2011-07-17 16:00:26	shedammit	same problem as here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID#Note
2011-07-17 16:00:31	phrik	Title: Convert a single drive system to RAID - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2011-07-17 16:00:36	zendeavor	conley: sorry, it's aur/xcompmgr_tint2-git
2011-07-17 16:00:39	conley	zendeavor: but xcompmgr isn't updated anymore, is it?
2011-07-17 16:00:39	sledgehammer	conley, fyi tint2 works fine without compositing
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2011-07-17 16:00:48	zendeavor	no but it works perfectly fine conley.
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2011-07-17 16:01:17	conley	zendeavor: oh, well the wiki said xcompmgr has issues with tint2 so I installed cairo-compmgr :z
2011-07-17 16:01:40	sledgehammer	conley, why do you want compositing? not exactly minimal is it? :)
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2011-07-17 16:02:11	zendeavor	conley: either way, just recommended xcompmgr for it's lightness
2011-07-17 16:02:20	conley	sledgehammer: I know. It's the black squares at the edges of tint2. that's it :/
2011-07-17 16:02:49	 *	sledgehammer has tint2 + openbox, no black squares
2011-07-17 16:02:54	zendeavor	hrm
2011-07-17 16:03:02	juhl	shedammit: hmm, I've had that problem when stuff was not, in fact, the same size, but the solution has (for me) always been to then fix the sizes (get properly sized devices) - so no good ideas - sorry..
2011-07-17 16:03:11	zendeavor	conley: might be an issue in your configuration of tint2
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2011-07-17 16:04:10	demonicm1niac3	fyi fluxbox autohiding panel works great without compositing :)
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2011-07-17 16:05:04	shedammit	juhl: could the position on the disk matter? Basically I repartitioned one of the raid disks to fit a 256MB boot partition in front. Normally they are all the first partition.
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2011-07-17 16:05:52	shedammit	I thought hot-removing and hot-adding it would be fine as long as fdisk reported the same # of blocks
2011-07-17 16:06:09	juhl	shedammit: not sure, but I guess that could very well be relevant..
2011-07-17 16:06:09	shedammit	thought fdisk was smarter than that ;)
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2011-07-17 16:08:10	juhl	shedammit: personally I've usually made raids out of raw devices, not partitions, so I'm not sure... but it sounds plausible..
2011-07-17 16:08:13	shedammit	I guess i could fudge the size up by a couple MB but that always made me feel messy
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2011-07-17 16:08:13	shedammit	an incidentally, the fact that i didnt use raw devices is what will make this possible :)
2011-07-17 16:08:13	shedammit	gives some wiggle room
2011-07-17 16:08:13	conley	sledgehammer: the rounded edges aren't black?
2011-07-17 16:08:21	sledgehammer	conley, no
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2011-07-17 16:08:39	conley	sledgehammer: so you have transparency?
2011-07-17 16:08:49	sledgehammer	conley, pseudo
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2011-07-17 16:09:06	sledgehammer	no compositing here
2011-07-17 16:09:08	conley	sledgehammer: how did you get that?
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2011-07-17 16:09:36	sledgehammer	conley, tbh I don't remember - haven't touched the config in over two years
2011-07-17 16:10:07	sledgehammer	conley, here it is: http://codepad.org/AVmxXF5L if it's of any interest
2011-07-17 16:10:10	phrik	Title: Plain Text code - 79 lines - codepad (at codepad.org)
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2011-07-17 16:10:57	cryptopsy	is there a commandline tool for pptx to pdf or image?
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2011-07-17 16:12:53	karabaja4	cryptopsy: i doubt it.
2011-07-17 16:12:58	Nismine	I have a creative hs-950 headset (usb) and it often causes pulseaudio to crash and restart, usually when I start watching a video, anyone know what might be the problem?
2011-07-17 16:12:59	karabaja4	cryptopsy: just use libreoffice
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2011-07-17 16:13:30	cryptopsy	too big
2011-07-17 16:13:43	juhl	cryptopsy: without actually having checked; I'd guess that ImageMagick could do it (if anything)...
2011-07-17 16:13:48	tzervo	cryptopsy: loimpress -convert-to pdf yourfile (unfortunately you have to have libreoffice installed)
2011-07-17 16:13:54	karabaja4	cryptopsy: pptx is hardly light format
2011-07-17 16:14:10	juhl	or maybe not
2011-07-17 16:14:20	juhl	google says no :(
2011-07-17 16:14:29	conley	sledgehammer: so
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2011-07-17 16:14:45	conley	pixmap background detection failed probably means that my X is messed up?
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2011-07-17 16:15:39	sledgehammer	conley, no idea
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2011-07-17 16:15:57	juhl	cryptopsy: can't you open them in libreoffice if you just add enough swap ?  ;)
2011-07-17 16:16:14	sledgehammer	!give conley g pixmap background detection failed
2011-07-17 16:16:26	phrik	conley: Issue 306 - tint2 - Tint2: pixmap background detection failed ...: <http://code.google.com/p/tint2/issues/detail?id=306>
2011-07-17 16:16:40	sledgehammer	next time you do the googling
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2011-07-17 16:18:14	juhl	sledgehammer: we need a phrik shortcut that does a http://lmgtfy.com/ search ;)
2011-07-17 16:19:52	phrik	Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
2011-07-17 16:19:52	sledgehammer	indeed :)
2011-07-17 16:19:52	brotatos	noooo
2011-07-17 16:19:52	brotatos	please no D:
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2011-07-17 16:19:52	brotatos	kernel panic
2011-07-17 16:19:52	brotatos	for no reason
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2011-07-17 16:19:53	sledgehammer	there's always a reason
2011-07-17 16:19:53	dagle	!panic
2011-07-17 16:19:53	phrik	http://omploader.org/vZm1w
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2011-07-17 16:20:18	conley	sledgehammer: okay, so if you run a window behind your tint2 at the very edges, it doesn't inherit the windows colors, correct?
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2011-07-17 16:20:26	juhl	brotatos: computers rarely do anything for no specific reason - it's in their nature ;)
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2011-07-17 16:20:57	demonicm1niac3	juhl: neutrinos from space!!!
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2011-07-17 16:21:40	brotatos	juhl, I got a "you're on your own" comment when i rebooted because the install was ruined.
2011-07-17 16:21:40	demonicm1niac3	they flip the bits
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2011-07-17 16:21:40	juhl	brotatos: if you've got a panic, then you've most likely also got a register dump and a backtrace
2011-07-17 16:21:40	sledgehammer	conley, no idea - like i said, I haven't even thought about tint2 since I set it up, so I've forgotten anything I may have known. Keep googling :)
2011-07-17 16:21:40	juhl	brotatos: from that a reason can often be worked out (although it can be tricky)
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2011-07-17 16:21:55	brotatos	definitely
2011-07-17 16:22:11	juhl	demonicm1niac3: that's still "a reason"..
2011-07-17 16:22:20	demonicm1niac3	indeed but it appears random
2011-07-17 16:22:20	conley	sledgehammer: can't you try it? just put any window behind it
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2011-07-17 16:22:26	Shirakawasuna	I'm doing some super basic webdev stuff (apache server,  mysql, php, javascript) for a database.  It was set up by someone else and I have essentially zero experience with webdev.  Lately I've been doing minor tweaks on the production-level site, but this is of course very dangerous (and I want to start doing more serious tweaks).  Could someone point me in the right direction for safely pushing updates/database tweaks (and editing
2011-07-17 16:22:26	Shirakawasuna	them locally, etc), if not an entire guide on this stuff?
2011-07-17 16:22:26	demonicm1niac3	as there's no feasible way of measuring
2011-07-17 16:23:03	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: use capistrano
2011-07-17 16:23:03	fryguy	!next
2011-07-17 16:23:03	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2011-07-17 16:23:03	Shirakawasuna	my current method right now is to rsync backup the whole site, then tweak, then hope stuff doesn't explode
2011-07-17 16:23:03	zendeavor	total size is 14244309  speedup is 12.88
2011-07-17 16:23:03	zendeavor	what is speedup?
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2011-07-17 16:23:05	zendeavor	from `sudo abs'
2011-07-17 16:23:08	Lartza	Help with samba? With xbmc4xbox I can get to a directory listing but not to the shared directories
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2011-07-17 16:23:16	fryguy	zendeavor: http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync+what+is+speedup&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
2011-07-17 16:23:16	phrik	Title: rsync what is speedup - Google-Suche (at www.google.com)
2011-07-17 16:23:18	demonicm1niac3	zendeavor: git compresses data before sending
2011-07-17 16:23:31	demonicm1niac3	the speedup is what you save on bandwith compared to raw
2011-07-17 16:23:33	juhl	demonicm1niac3: not arguing that... but with ecc/chipkill ram and the like, panics due to random bitflips are getting rare - and even when they do happen they still have to flip something significant, not just unused memory or some data where they don't cause a crash - odds are pretty low with proper hardware...
2011-07-17 16:23:35	zendeavor	oh neat
2011-07-17 16:23:39	Lartza	On gentoo I can get to a music directory but not sub-directories of artists
2011-07-17 16:23:47	zendeavor	thanks, just curious for a second there
2011-07-17 16:23:51	Lartza	Arch host only lists shared directories
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2011-07-17 16:24:32	zendeavor	fryguy: thanks, i like google too
2011-07-17 16:24:46	zendeavor	use it all the time
2011-07-17 16:24:46	Lartza	unix_err:'2' nt_err : 'c0000034' error : 'NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND'
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2011-07-17 16:24:55	fryguy	zendeavor: yah it's awesome when the first result gives you exactly the information you are looking for
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2011-07-17 16:25:07	zendeavor	fryguy: indeed it is!
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2011-07-17 16:26:16	zendeavor	fryguy: shame I couldn't find those results because I was searching for `abs' specific results which lead to lots of "how to get hot abs in 12 minutes!" advertorials instead
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2011-07-17 16:26:36	zendeavor	:)
2011-07-17 16:26:52	Shirakawasuna	fryguy: awesome.  One more newb question: this database gets updated fairly regularly by users, but I want to add a column.  I just wanted to verify that it's possible to edit this stuff 'offline' and merge it w/ production without removing their entries.  Also, I'll stop bothering you with newb questions ;)
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2011-07-17 16:27:09	dagle	zendeavor: If downloading abs takes 12 minutes... then it's really bad. :)
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2011-07-17 16:28:32	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: it depends on the schema change, but it's usually possible to just do it online
2011-07-17 16:28:46	zendeavor	dagle: lol that would be bad indeed ;D
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2011-07-17 16:28:46	Shirakawasuna	fryguy: got it.  So I just need to be careful and do it live
2011-07-17 16:28:46	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: most of the database migrations I do end up being online, although sometimes scheduled for offhours if they are going to run for a while and affect site performance
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2011-07-17 16:28:46	Shirakawasuna	fryguy: cool, thanks for the help!  I'm much less freaked out about it now ;)
2011-07-17 16:28:46	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: also, set up a staging environment to test on
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2011-07-17 16:30:13	Shirakawasuna	fryguy: I think I'll just read a proper webdev book before screwing with too much.  I don't know the proper way to do the staging, for example
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2011-07-17 16:31:46	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: it's an exact copy of your production site, hosted on similar hardware, accessible from a different location
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2011-07-17 16:32:40	Kromgol	Planning on doing a triple monitor setup, i already got a 1920x1080, does it matter if i buy 2 1920x1080 of another model and use them as well as my current 1920x1080? Or will i have a problem with the height, where the screen space is located? etc
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2011-07-17 16:32:57	Shirakawasuna	fryguy: got it.  I'm not sure if I could really make an exact copy of everything (the apache setup, for example), as it's hosted for us by another group.  But I'm assuming I could set up a chroot or something that has its own apache/mysql/etc setup with the site copied somewhere
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2011-07-17 16:34:18	dagle	Kromgol: Software there wont be any problems (if they all follow the standards).
2011-07-17 16:34:18	Kromgol	dagle: I meant the physical screens now
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2011-07-17 16:34:18	Kromgol	As the screen might be located on different heights depending on the model of the screen?
2011-07-17 16:34:18	Kromgol	Even if it's the same resolution.
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2011-07-17 16:34:18	Tucos	whether that's a problem is up to you :p
2011-07-17 16:34:18	Tucos	but even when buying the same monitors a while later they might have revised it
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2011-07-17 16:34:18	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: when you fuck up and crash your production site, hopefully this other group takes the hint and gives you the resources you need to do your job correctly
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2011-07-17 16:34:28	fryguy	Shirakawasuna: don't be this guy willingly: http://www.bnj.com/cowboy-coding-pink-sombrero/
2011-07-17 16:34:28	phrik	Title: Cowboy Coding and the Pink Sombrero | Babcock & Jenkins (at www.bnj.com)
2011-07-17 16:34:37	Kromgol	Tucos: Well, would look ugly if two monitors were 2cm higher than the other one lol
2011-07-17 16:35:10	Tucos	Kromgol: it's worse if they're almost the same but aren't :p